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 Post subject: Am I right here? any opinions I would be grateful for x?
PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 12:09 pm 
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Sorry I know this is really long and complicated but please will you tell me what you think?

Last October I an started an agreement to share with my pony with a girl at our stables as I am currently at uni and needed someone to release some of the pressures. The agreement being we would share both the responsibilities and costs. The first month went smoothly and I received her payment. However once it got to november I didn't receive any money for that month. Not particularly wanting to talk about this over the phone I waited to see her (stupid of me i know) but I didn't see her at all right through to mid-late January except from a distance and I got the impression she was trying to avoid me.

During this time I had started bringing the pony in during the nights due to the bad weather. When I eventually spoke to her I asked if she still wanted to do the share and was surprised when she said that she did. So I organised a rota so that one of us would either sort out the pony in the morning or the evening depending on the day so that it was practically even (although I gave myself one extra day as I really needed her help and I didn't want to put her off with giving her too may days.)

However my mum also has a pony that I effectively have to look after now due to my mothers illness. I asked her if when she's bringing the pony we share in and out of the field in the morning or evening she could bring my mum's pony in as well (making sure of course that I had already prepared its stable beforehand) as they share the same field and i thought it would be pretty pointless sharing my pony with her so that I have more time for uni if I was going to have to come down to stables the same amount of time anyway. She replied that yes she would giving me no inclination towards being unhappy to do so.

Since then however I have received no money and have been doing most of the work in terms of preparing the pony we're meant to be sharing's stable leaving the haynet and water for her to do perhaps once or twice a week but cleaning it out myself. I was quite happy to do most of the work as I reasoned she was having to bring my mothers horse in and out which wasn't really her responsibility and I felt that it did make it reasonably fair. Today I sent her a text asking her for the money for this last month (I thought I'd be lenient with the other months as she wasn't actually looking after my pony at the time and blamed myself for not keeping her informed) and I received a reply saying that she didn't feel it was fair that she should pay as she thinks she's putting in more than she getting out of it saying that she didn't mind helping us out by doing both of them but didn't think she should have to pay to do so.

I really don't think this is fair as all she's really been doing is bringing them in and out of the stable and giving them their bucket of feed (a job that takes at most 10-15mins). In fact on one of the occasions that I left the hay and water for her to do I came down to discover that she hadn't even put the hay in the haynet but had simply shoved it onto the floor.
Am I right here? and what do people think I should do? I need her help more than I need the money as I still have a job alongside my studies and I'm living at home but I really don't think its fair that she should get away with not paying anything! :s


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Unless you have a signed written agreement in place im afraid your arrangement doesn`t mean a thing. If I were you i`d tell her that sharing the financial side was part of the agreement and since she`s not paying out she`s left you no other option that to re-advertise for a sharer.If she`s not doing a simple job properly then I wouldn`t even want her help.


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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 2:09 pm 
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I agree with Anna T, tell her that she has failed to keep to the financial side of the agreement and will be re-advertising for a new sharer. Just remember to have a written agreement in the future so that they have no choice and cannot back out of a deal. Hope this helps you and good luck :)


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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 4:09 pm 
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You don't say if your agreement is written or verbal. As the saying goes, a verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's written on. So, if you don't have a written agreement, you don't have anything.

So, your first priority is to make sure there is a clear, written agreement. If you already have one, explain that you are going to start enforcing it and if she does not comply you will end the lease.

Alarm bells should have started going off when you didn't get any money for the second month. You have basically let her get away with not paying for several months now. Why should she pay when you don't enforce? If you won't, you will simply have to get another leaser.


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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 6:09 pm 
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I think you're in the right. This girl is obviously helping out a bit, but she's slacking, and could at least help a little more. If she's not being responsible enough, you should ask for her to do more instead of paying, or lower the amount she needs to pay to keep her happy. You should make a list of the tasks required to take care of both ponies, and how much you think they're worth.

i.e. If you ask for ?29 a month=
Taking ponies out -?7
Putting the hay IN THE HAYNET -?3.50
Water -?3.50
Cleaning -?7
etc., until the amount of things she does brings down her dues to an amount that she likes. You should sit down with her and make this list, discussing that, if she doesn't think it's fair that she should pay, you need to find a 'happy medium'. Also, remind her that the money is needed to take care of the ponies, and if she really cares about them, she'll help out anyway she can.

If she doesn't like co-operating, maybe you should find another girl to help you out with the ponies, and hopefully your mother gets well, and can handle her pony again.


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PostPosted: Sat May 08, 2010 8:09 pm 
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Tell her that she hasn't been paying, so your not sharing your horse with her anymore.


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Well, when setting up the payment you should really have created a 'standing order'. So each month the money goes out of her (or her parents) bank. That way unless they cancel it they HAVE to pay you the money.
It's not really fair that she can take advantage of you like that, she is getting to spend time with your horses but not as much as you want and she is giving nothing in return.
I would say find a new sharer; someone that will contribute financially AND ride them/feed them for you...
I suppose she is kind of right, she shouldn't have to pay to do you a favour when she isn't getting much out of it, but then she shouldn't have said she would pay in the first place!

They're your horses, so you need to do what is best for them, and that would probably be finding someone who can dedicate more time to them and not whine about it.

Good luck!
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